<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	xmlns:series="http://unfoldingneurons.com/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Day 562: New Orleans Pumps Faulty, Not New Orleanians</title>
	<atom:link href="http://vatul.net/blog/index.php/1235/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://vatul.net/blog/index.php/1235/</link>
	<description>From Kuwait To Katrina And Beyond</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 04:03:42 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: liprap</title>
		<link>http://vatul.net/blog/index.php/1235/comment-page-1/#comment-113378</link>
		<dc:creator>liprap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 13:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://vatul.net/blog/index.php/1235/#comment-113378</guid>
		<description>As long as logic and proof implicate someone or lots of someones, there will be obfuscation and outright lies.  That has been the way of human beans since our beginnings, it seems...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as logic and proof implicate someone or lots of someones, there will be obfuscation and outright lies.  That has been the way of human beans since our beginnings, it seems&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: EJ</title>
		<link>http://vatul.net/blog/index.php/1235/comment-page-1/#comment-113173</link>
		<dc:creator>EJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 10:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://vatul.net/blog/index.php/1235/#comment-113173</guid>
		<description>&quot;logic and proof aren’t widely accepted in this society anymore&quot;


I&#039;m afraid you hit the nail on the head with that one, Maitri.  I wonder if they were ever accepted.  sigh...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;logic and proof aren’t widely accepted in this society anymore&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid you hit the nail on the head with that one, Maitri.  I wonder if they were ever accepted.  sigh&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Maitri&#8217;s VatulBlog &#187; Day 565: No Pumps Better Than Faulty Pumps</title>
		<link>http://vatul.net/blog/index.php/1235/comment-page-1/#comment-112158</link>
		<dc:creator>Maitri&#8217;s VatulBlog &#187; Day 565: No Pumps Better Than Faulty Pumps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://vatul.net/blog/index.php/1235/#comment-112158</guid>
		<description>[...] not find it germane to splash on its front page the findings from the never-ending pit that is the Faulty Pumps issue. The &#8220;historic&#8221; 10-point crime plan that comes out of the Eddie Jordan - Warren [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] not find it germane to splash on its front page the findings from the never-ending pit that is the Faulty Pumps issue. The &#8220;historic&#8221; 10-point crime plan that comes out of the Eddie Jordan &#8211; Warren [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Carmen</title>
		<link>http://vatul.net/blog/index.php/1235/comment-page-1/#comment-111619</link>
		<dc:creator>Carmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://vatul.net/blog/index.php/1235/#comment-111619</guid>
		<description>I&#039;m not sure &quot;main form&quot; is correct, it&#039;s like a glacier with 90% below the surface.  Which is how you know whether or not a dialogue is going to be fruitful:  look at the agenda of the poster.  There&#039;s pack commonality of publicspeak in all factions: you can see it in the local blogging community, in the federal talking points which get disseminated to national media outlets, in the similar conde nast style publications.  You, Maitri, in your Metta-phase and regardless of time limitations, know instinctively who is parrying and who is parroting.  How?  By whether or not they listen.  Is it their own thought, or are they swept by a wave?  I&#039;m just as wary of the Huffington Post extremists as the Rovians.  Tourette&#039;s in public discourse is pretty obvious in its dysfunctionality.

How do you not converse in a common language, when man is bounded by the simplest tethers:  eating, sleeping, screwing, waste elimination?  Isn&#039;t this your essential argument as to why others ought consider the rebuilding of New Orleans &#039;worthy&#039;, because we are all in the same base position on this planet and need to recognize that profound sense of brotherhood?  There&#039;s nothing wrong with logical rebuttal.  There&#039;s some need to counter large wave attacks.  But for efficiency&#039;s sake, we first have to eliminate the emotionality of it and secondly have to address the negotiation aspects.  That will move the process forward instead of relegating it to mere bickering.  Futility is what some want to engender; the sense of powerlessness amongst the masses creates the need for a &quot;strong leader&quot; or &quot;decider&quot; to rise to power.

Before McBride began blogging, he did a series of public education lectures, occasionally getting deeply frustrated at attendance measures or by people who decided to be awesome and not attend after informing him they would.  But look where he&#039;s gotten by just not taking no for an answer, and not serving himself.  But if, in absurdist lingo, I equate McBride to Jason Bourne or Gadbois to Frida Kahlo, am I saying something or am I deflecting?  Of *course* most people want to say something:  the nature of life is to express self or other.  &quot;Beware of the night poodles&quot; may be the most profound statement you are able to hear at your level of thought, PRECISELY FOR ITS SEEMING ABSURDITY.  Alice In Wonderland was a moving political manifesto.

The non-futility of absurdist comi-tragedy is the freedom of investment of the individual mind.  Instead of pack running, a planted field sprouts according to conditions affecting each respective plant.  It&#039;s trusting the masses with some sense of themselves (My sheep hear My voice) and even trusting that weeds cannot choke the vineyard nor affect the harvest because of the wise overseers (perhaps like you, in your field) who root out the freestanding threat but only trim the one entwined with the fruit, that nothing be wasted in its time.

To me, that&#039;s not a sinking feeling but a glorious one.  The hope of mankind, in its absurdist way, has sprung from New Orleans, and why would anyone working on the side of good fret one moment about that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure &#8220;main form&#8221; is correct, it&#8217;s like a glacier with 90% below the surface.  Which is how you know whether or not a dialogue is going to be fruitful:  look at the agenda of the poster.  There&#8217;s pack commonality of publicspeak in all factions: you can see it in the local blogging community, in the federal talking points which get disseminated to national media outlets, in the similar conde nast style publications.  You, Maitri, in your Metta-phase and regardless of time limitations, know instinctively who is parrying and who is parroting.  How?  By whether or not they listen.  Is it their own thought, or are they swept by a wave?  I&#8217;m just as wary of the Huffington Post extremists as the Rovians.  Tourette&#8217;s in public discourse is pretty obvious in its dysfunctionality.</p>
<p>How do you not converse in a common language, when man is bounded by the simplest tethers:  eating, sleeping, screwing, waste elimination?  Isn&#8217;t this your essential argument as to why others ought consider the rebuilding of New Orleans &#8216;worthy&#8217;, because we are all in the same base position on this planet and need to recognize that profound sense of brotherhood?  There&#8217;s nothing wrong with logical rebuttal.  There&#8217;s some need to counter large wave attacks.  But for efficiency&#8217;s sake, we first have to eliminate the emotionality of it and secondly have to address the negotiation aspects.  That will move the process forward instead of relegating it to mere bickering.  Futility is what some want to engender; the sense of powerlessness amongst the masses creates the need for a &#8220;strong leader&#8221; or &#8220;decider&#8221; to rise to power.</p>
<p>Before McBride began blogging, he did a series of public education lectures, occasionally getting deeply frustrated at attendance measures or by people who decided to be awesome and not attend after informing him they would.  But look where he&#8217;s gotten by just not taking no for an answer, and not serving himself.  But if, in absurdist lingo, I equate McBride to Jason Bourne or Gadbois to Frida Kahlo, am I saying something or am I deflecting?  Of *course* most people want to say something:  the nature of life is to express self or other.  &#8220;Beware of the night poodles&#8221; may be the most profound statement you are able to hear at your level of thought, PRECISELY FOR ITS SEEMING ABSURDITY.  Alice In Wonderland was a moving political manifesto.</p>
<p>The non-futility of absurdist comi-tragedy is the freedom of investment of the individual mind.  Instead of pack running, a planted field sprouts according to conditions affecting each respective plant.  It&#8217;s trusting the masses with some sense of themselves (My sheep hear My voice) and even trusting that weeds cannot choke the vineyard nor affect the harvest because of the wise overseers (perhaps like you, in your field) who root out the freestanding threat but only trim the one entwined with the fruit, that nothing be wasted in its time.</p>
<p>To me, that&#8217;s not a sinking feeling but a glorious one.  The hope of mankind, in its absurdist way, has sprung from New Orleans, and why would anyone working on the side of good fret one moment about that?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Maitri</title>
		<link>http://vatul.net/blog/index.php/1235/comment-page-1/#comment-110709</link>
		<dc:creator>Maitri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 02:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://vatul.net/blog/index.php/1235/#comment-110709</guid>
		<description>Carmen, I understand what you&#039;re trying to say about negotiating with people whose main form of correspondence/dialogue is via (a certain form of) newsspeak, but:

a) how do I know who gets it and who doesn&#039;t?,
b) how to converse in a language I don&#039;t speak?, and
c) I don&#039;t have any time to do anything more than lob back in the most logical way I know how when this city may flood again this hurricane season and no one thinks this is a federal emergency that warrants immediate reaction, resources and action from the folks in charge.

Why is the awareness of talking into the nonsense preceded by a sinking feeling?  It&#039;s the hesitant beginning of acknowledging that logic and proof aren&#039;t widely accepted in this society anymore, most voters want to say something ... anything ... based on their prejudices alone, and that if I connect two dots on the canvas with a straight line, someone will retort with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.savagechickens.com/images/chickenabsurd.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Beware of the night poodles!&lt;/a&gt;

P.S. I&#039;d like to think my Upaya is Maitri, probably better known to you as Metta, to &lt;em&gt;some&lt;/em&gt; living beings.  *smile*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carmen, I understand what you&#8217;re trying to say about negotiating with people whose main form of correspondence/dialogue is via (a certain form of) newsspeak, but:</p>
<p>a) how do I know who gets it and who doesn&#8217;t?,<br />
b) how to converse in a language I don&#8217;t speak?, and<br />
c) I don&#8217;t have any time to do anything more than lob back in the most logical way I know how when this city may flood again this hurricane season and no one thinks this is a federal emergency that warrants immediate reaction, resources and action from the folks in charge.</p>
<p>Why is the awareness of talking into the nonsense preceded by a sinking feeling?  It&#8217;s the hesitant beginning of acknowledging that logic and proof aren&#8217;t widely accepted in this society anymore, most voters want to say something &#8230; anything &#8230; based on their prejudices alone, and that if I connect two dots on the canvas with a straight line, someone will retort with <a href="http://www.savagechickens.com/images/chickenabsurd.jpg" rel="nofollow">Beware of the night poodles!</a></p>
<p>P.S. I&#8217;d like to think my Upaya is Maitri, probably better known to you as Metta, to <em>some</em> living beings.  *smile*</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Carmen</title>
		<link>http://vatul.net/blog/index.php/1235/comment-page-1/#comment-110694</link>
		<dc:creator>Carmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 01:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://vatul.net/blog/index.php/1235/#comment-110694</guid>
		<description>Don&#039;t forget about Dan Packer if you&#039;re going to be looking at collusions.  There&#039;s a hinky link somewhere in this Jengalike structure of corruption, but I haven&#039;t got it quite right yet.

Most of what &#039;officials&#039; are reported as saying in the news is really just public negotiation; that&#039;s the corporate political system, including investor clues.  The whole point of volunteer activists like the brilliant McBride - who&#039;s been working the pump issue furiously for a year - is to upend the backdoor dealbrokering and restore democracy.  (Whether the blogger realizes that or not isn&#039;t always a dominant concern.)  The newsmedia catches up at a certain point.

But that&#039;s why it&#039;s not expedient (Upaya) to get so fussed up about the &#039;handouts and blame&#039; pundits.  Either they know it&#039;s public negotiation, or they don&#039;t.  If they don&#039;t know it, they&#039;re irrelevant.  If they do, there&#039;s no point just lobbing back:  you have to hear them, to listen and negotiate.  There are greater sins and lesser sins, and people do get that.

You people are doing good work cleaning up this town, and yes, you are &quot;talking into an absurdist canvas of uncharted proportions.&quot;  Why that should engender a sinking feeling, I have no idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget about Dan Packer if you&#8217;re going to be looking at collusions.  There&#8217;s a hinky link somewhere in this Jengalike structure of corruption, but I haven&#8217;t got it quite right yet.</p>
<p>Most of what &#8216;officials&#8217; are reported as saying in the news is really just public negotiation; that&#8217;s the corporate political system, including investor clues.  The whole point of volunteer activists like the brilliant McBride &#8211; who&#8217;s been working the pump issue furiously for a year &#8211; is to upend the backdoor dealbrokering and restore democracy.  (Whether the blogger realizes that or not isn&#8217;t always a dominant concern.)  The newsmedia catches up at a certain point.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s why it&#8217;s not expedient (Upaya) to get so fussed up about the &#8216;handouts and blame&#8217; pundits.  Either they know it&#8217;s public negotiation, or they don&#8217;t.  If they don&#8217;t know it, they&#8217;re irrelevant.  If they do, there&#8217;s no point just lobbing back:  you have to hear them, to listen and negotiate.  There are greater sins and lesser sins, and people do get that.</p>
<p>You people are doing good work cleaning up this town, and yes, you are &#8220;talking into an absurdist canvas of uncharted proportions.&#8221;  Why that should engender a sinking feeling, I have no idea.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Slate</title>
		<link>http://vatul.net/blog/index.php/1235/comment-page-1/#comment-110632</link>
		<dc:creator>Slate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 23:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://vatul.net/blog/index.php/1235/#comment-110632</guid>
		<description>Has J. David Eller ever been seen having drinks with Meffert?

The whole (expletive deleted as it&#039;s not Ashley&#039;s blog)bunch of them should be held criminally liable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has J. David Eller ever been seen having drinks with Meffert?</p>
<p>The whole (expletive deleted as it&#8217;s not Ashley&#8217;s blog)bunch of them should be held criminally liable.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Sophmom</title>
		<link>http://vatul.net/blog/index.php/1235/comment-page-1/#comment-110629</link>
		<dc:creator>Sophmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 22:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://vatul.net/blog/index.php/1235/#comment-110629</guid>
		<description>I wish I could say it was unbelievable but, honestly, it&#039;s just more business as usual. It&#039;s my understanding that it won&#039;t take a hurricane for New Orleans to need those pumps, and that just too much heavy rainfall could do it. I&#039;m sorry, Maitri.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I could say it was unbelievable but, honestly, it&#8217;s just more business as usual. It&#8217;s my understanding that it won&#8217;t take a hurricane for New Orleans to need those pumps, and that just too much heavy rainfall could do it. I&#8217;m sorry, Maitri.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: GentillyGirl</title>
		<link>http://vatul.net/blog/index.php/1235/comment-page-1/#comment-110611</link>
		<dc:creator>GentillyGirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 22:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://vatul.net/blog/index.php/1235/#comment-110611</guid>
		<description>Ya&#039;s beat me to this one Maitri.

Guess all of the venom I wanted to use for this revelation can now be reserved to whatever travesty unfolds tomorrow. *rolls eyes*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya&#8217;s beat me to this one Maitri.</p>
<p>Guess all of the venom I wanted to use for this revelation can now be reserved to whatever travesty unfolds tomorrow. *rolls eyes*</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
